om Lawson (Opencast chief executive): “Jacqui you talked about the importance of fast feedback loops. Historically, getting that within between digital and wider business colleagues has perhaps been more difficult. Do you feel that you've been able to make headway on that now?"

JL: “I think we're getting better at it. Delivering through the SRA, you have to collaborate and have to have those quicker feedback loops because you're working across an ecosystem. If one part of that ecosystem doesn't work your blast radius can be significant, so you have to think about that. So we're having to think in a different way – collaboration is really key.”

Cate Kalson (Opencast chief people officer): “It sounds to me like DWP Digital is very much at the forefront of a lot of government thinking on this and that whatever that's the practical application. How does the rest of government interact with you in trying to learn?"

JL: “Historically, we've all battened down the hatches and done our own thing. There's a huge drive across government for us to share more and be more open.

“And we've been building out shared infrastructure across the event platform on how we share events, cross government and how we can consume events, cross government, and also in our API ecosystem we've been feeding into a cross-government API catalogue.

“So we're certainly showcasing, championing, rallying round, and almost showing off a little bit, about some of the stuff that we're doing in DWP Digital. But equally, we're listening to other government departments that are also doing some cutting-edge things that we can learn from. I think we've got probably the best opportunity and most supportive environment for that cross collaboration than we've ever had.

"With the introduction of AI - you can't go on any meeting without talking about AI can you - some of some of the guidelines that are coming out, some of the best practices, and where they've been running real trials around AI in places like the NHS and within the Department of Science and Technology itself, I think will forge even closer partnerships across government and technology itself.”